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#1 2013-01-04 16:24:46

Samchun
Map maker

Urban Zone Jump Competition

Hey,

Urban Zone League is about to create a jump competition similar to UJC.

SevenofNine wrote:

Original thread by Samchun
This is a discussion and ideas thread, so your input is very much appreciated!

With the release of 4.2.006 Urban Terror now contains a real jump mode which means it'll be easier to create a Jump Mode competition on Urban Zone. The very first Jump Mode competition was made by the guys at URT Jumpers and was called UJC. There was just one season, we'd like to continue on the path they started in 2011 since it looks like it died. I was not one the competitors and do not know the competition very well so the info I'll be posting might be wrong, that's why it's a discussion.

Competition Layout
UJC had cup setup, similar to ClanBase OpenCups, first group stages and then playoffs this has benefits and drawbacks. The benefit is that it makes for good "viewing" there's a final to conclude the event. A drawback is that after the groupstages you'll lose at least half of your players, this is one reason why Urban Zone opts for the League format. But we're willing to give it a try for this Jump Mode. UJC had three divisions Pro/Medium/Beginner with each their own map pool. This is a great aspect about the jump mode and the great mapping community that still exists.

In UJC you got points for your result:
1st - 16 points
2nd - 11
3rd - 8
4th - 6
5th - 4
6th - 2
No show - 0

Looks like a reasonable system, do you have any idea's on how the points system could be different?

Time Frame
I heard that in UJC you had one month to play one map. This sounds like an attempt to give everyone as much time as possible to still play the competition. I'd propose to make it a map a week so that it's fast and interesting.  UJC had 6 group stage rounds and a quarter final/semi final/final. That's 9 rounds which is very long, especially as you probably need one week between the group stage and play-off stage for catch-ups etc. So lets say 10 weeks or longer. This makes it incompatible with the current Urban Zone Leagues. It leaves two options, shorten the UJC time frame or have two Urban Zone Jump Mode cups per year. I'd like your opinions!

The match
UJC had a system for playing matches similar to the Urban Zone Skeet Shoot Tournament, player contacts referee, player and referee go into a server, player gets one attempt and that's the one that counts. This means a tremendous need for man hours that we do not have. A system that would be more workable is that the player joins an IRC channel, types "!match round 1" or whatever a bot gives the player the IP+PASS and starts the map on the server. Similar to a pickup match. What we would like further is that we have an in-game bot (or a feature from Frozen Sand) that we can setup ahead of time to define the amount of attempts allowed. And that the score of the best attempt gets uploaded straight to Urban Zone OR a .txt file on the server so we can easily read it and put the result on the website. Are there any thoughts about this or features that you would like to request? We are in contact with FrozenSand regularly and they are willing to look into our requests.

How does this all sounds?

What we need:
- First your opinions smile
- a list of maps that are compatible with 4.2 Jump Mode and their difficulty (Pro/Medium/Beginner)
- volunteers to run such a competition
Urban Zone has referees and admins but we're all very busy with regular leagues and though bots would hopefully take a way most work help is still required.
- servers
- coders for bots (or ideas that need coding)
- mappers

When would this event happen?
April/May is the start of the second season in 2013, it's a short time frame but we can try and aim for that!

Feel free to comment or give your opinion/ideas there!

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#2 2013-01-04 20:41:07

Driller
Moderator

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

Hmmm, actually not bad Samchun. Good idea!




Maps as far as i know:

2 or 3 maps of 4.1 are updated into race: futre, smalljumps and i saw video of pirateland with race entities (not released yet i think)

4 maps of 4.2 with race and nostamina: urtrace urtspeedway zoggrace and garfed.

At unsorted i uploaded 3 testmaps? of which i saw a video: j4n_riwa, Killua-Tawa and pornstar-slopin. But they are not really a full map.
I know there are many many porn-jumptestmaps but as far as i dont see any video of them or any 'release' i wont upload them here.

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#3 2013-01-04 20:47:35

Noxtty
Map maker

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

Wait, it's samchun's idea now? lol


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#4 2013-01-04 21:00:02

Samchun
Map maker

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

Noxtty wrote:

Wait, it's samchun's idea now? lol

?


We've been waiting 2 years now and there's still nothing, it's time to cooperate with UZL.
I've never said or stole any idea, 7of9 said the rules would like UJC's ones, and is trying to get it better by regroupping jumpers advices. The competition isn't launched yet, it's in preparation.

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#5 2013-01-04 21:02:54

Driller
Moderator

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

Yes Samchun, good initiative then lol

Few months ago i thought about a contest, but when i mentioned 4.2 you remember the trolls came out their cave and spoiled my fun for it.
But its true, UJ fails in this contest atm. But good if the UZ can organise a bit and maybe we can help a bit.

Last edited by Driller (2013-01-04 21:05:10)

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#6 2013-01-04 21:07:46

Samchun
Map maker

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

Well UJ staff can help UZL to create this competition. As 7of9 said in the topic, if you want to get involved you can!

Hehe true Driller, but that was too early imo, the 4.2 had no stopwatch.
I hope mappers will add the new entities to their maps.
But anyway a jump competition is possible even without those features, UJC worked fine didnt it? big_smile

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#7 2013-01-04 21:58:34

Noxtty
Map maker

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

Oh rofl, it's cus I read: SevenofNine wrote: but I haven't seen: Original thread by Samchun. I got confused when Driller said good idea sam lol.


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#8 2013-01-04 22:02:42

X-RaY
Moderator

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

no more about who's idea it was, is or is going to be.

Nice idea to revive the contest and put some pre-work and pre-thoughts to organize in it, samchun smile


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#9 2013-01-05 10:25:16

kaviar
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Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

We did not continue the UJC, because with 4.1, it was impossible to manage.

The 4.2 makes things easier.

Samchun wrote:

Hehe true Driller, but that was too early imo, the 4.2 had no stopwatch.
I hope mappers will add the new entities to their maps.
But anyway a jump competition is possible even without those features, UJC worked fine didnt it? big_smile

So that a competition can take place, for example, it's imperative to have map with stopwatch feature.

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#10 2013-01-05 11:16:07

Giomarketz
Jumper

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

irc idea is perfect, just want to see how many attempts are going to be given.
Questions: will be a speedway contest or normalmaps contest?
2nd Question, if will be normal maps contest, can we add entities for 4.2 race at all 4.1 maps for march/april (next uz season)?
3rd Question: How will you divide people in divisions? If will be played by lot of people (remember that are players, not clans) will you put  a limit to the number of people joining it?Like Skeetshoot?

Anyway you had a great idea and 7o9 is great as well to accept in doing such competitions on his platform big_smile clanbase sucks hmm

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#11 2013-01-05 14:32:12

blubby
Jumper

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

ohjea, since they cant even make up decent divisions for frag, what will
eya think of for us frogs huehuehue


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#12 2013-01-05 16:12:30

Schnork
Jumper

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

I think its good how it was last time.
Just apply for a group that you think is legit for you.
If some pr0s apply in the nubsection they should be moved though.


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#13 2013-01-05 17:46:04

X-RaY
Moderator

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

34 minutes for uberjumps today...
Yay For Noobs!!


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#14 2013-01-05 18:04:00

Exception
Gone Walkabout

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

Yeah go this way RaY, you're pro XD


Which is the difference between Urban Terror and the other war games? The Jumping mode !
http://gamessigngen.altervista.org/games/urt/result/LoulProJumpException1381s2.png

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#15 2013-01-06 09:15:28

mifo
Map maker

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

You guys are right about UZ staff not being suited for picking divisions for jumpers. But the divisions system will be good for jumpers as well, more interesting.
There should be some group of jumpers applying for the referee status for this competition, and 1st season should be UJC style (apply for your skill category) and based on results divisions will be made. It will never be perfect, but hey, what is right?

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#16 2013-01-06 10:24:48

xandaxs
Gone Walkabout

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

Easy for me, or beginner of there is...


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#17 2013-01-06 10:53:08

X-RaY
Moderator

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

the method to divide jumpers into different categories was correctly set up last time.
Jumpers pick a division based on their own skill and estimation.
Then, a referee will watch them doing one map, and based on the picked division by the jumper and his shown skill in the first map, the division will be specified.


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#18 2013-01-06 11:37:01

mifo
Map maker

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

Let's offer this to UZ? And with the possibility of making divs based on results of 1st season?

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#19 2013-01-06 11:53:27

xandaxs
Gone Walkabout

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

The thing is, in order to make this, we need more 4.2 ready maps.


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#20 2013-01-06 12:33:01

Exception
Gone Walkabout

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

Ye we need a lot of maps for 4.2.
I'm out of the work, can't finish excejumps, da hell I can't make another map lol!


Which is the difference between Urban Terror and the other war games? The Jumping mode !
http://gamessigngen.altervista.org/games/urt/result/LoulProJumpException1381s2.png

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#21 2013-01-06 12:37:16

Stolichnaya
Jumper

Re: Urban Zone Jump Competition

I reckon this is a good idea about UrT 4.2 jump competition. I never took part in the competition before. So I wanna take part in the next competition and I'll wait this competition :-) And yes we need more 4.2 maps :-)

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